Pavel Gurianov, Principal for Emerging Markets (India, Indonesia, LatAm) at FinSight Ventures
Here’s a simple way to think about FinSight Ventures: it is a late-stage fund that likes the places most investors avoid, and it has a one-line rule for deciding when to write a cheque: 35 per cent a year, in dollars, or it walks.
The US-based VC fund with operational hubs in Cyprus and India invests in AI, cloud, enterprise software and fintech, and it has done more than 60 late-stage deals worth over US$700 million. Its portfolio now runs to nearly 100 companies spread across South Korea, Central Asia, Latin America, the US, Europe (it holds a stake in buy-now-pay-later giant Klarna) and a long list in India, including CarDekho, Razorpay, Gupshup, MediBuddy, Bimaplan, Superfone and Visa2Fly. What that book still does not have, despite the firm describing itself as having “a strong strategic focus on Southeast Asia,” is a single Southeast Asian company.
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We put that gap to Pavel Gurianov, FinSight’s Principal for Emerging Markets covering India, Indonesia and Latin America, along with tougher questions on fee structure, a Chinese-adjacent cap table, and what “liquidity” even means in a hyperinflating economy.
The missing middle in private markets
FinSight’s pitch is simple, once you see the gap it says it is filling. “In public markets you can pick stocks, hand money to a hedge or mutual fund, or buy the middle product — an index fund or ETF,” Gurianov said.
Private markets, he argued, never built that middle tier: you either do deal-by-deal co-investment, or you lock into a 10-12 year venture fund where, for the first four or five years, “you don’t know what you own.”
‘FinSight’s answer is a named, closed list of bets, disclosed before an investor commits. Its first such vehicle, the Generative AI Index Fund, launched last November as a US$50 million vehicle giving investors one ticket into a stated basket of AI leaders — Fin AI, Together AI, Crusoe, Glean.’ Gurianov puts the fund at 14 companies in total; FinSight is now readying a second, on Physical AI, with a dozen names, and the firm tells e27 a formal announcement is expected within days.
The terms on both are blunt: a five-year fund life, half the length of a standard venture vehicle, a 2 per cent management fee, 20 per cent carry, and no interim liquidity. “We invest, we hold, and we distribute as we exit each position,” he said.
The underwriting discipline, he insisted, is not glamour-driven. Every deal is priced against a price-to-earnings exit multiple, on the assumption that “any company, technology or not, eventually trades on earnings once it is public.”
The bar is that same 35 per cent annualised return in the middle scenario, not the bull case. Fail that test at today’s price, and FinSight walks rather than repricing its ambitions downward.
Physical AI’s underpriced bottleneck
The new fund is a wager that robotics and embodied AI are where generative AI was around 2023, except Gurianov thinks the market has mispriced which bottleneck matters. Not hardware, which he said is down 40-60 per cent in recent years on the back of overlap with electric-vehicle supply chains. Not talent, which is mobile. Data.
“The internet is digital by default; the physical world is not digitised,” Gurianov said. The same scaling law that powered large language models — more data in, exponentially better performance out — has now been proven for robotics, he argued, which shifts the real constraint to the supply of real-world data. He pointed to a crossover already underway: robot-hour costs converging with human labour-hour costs in several industries, tipping this year or next.
His pricing argument is the most quotable line of the interview: the top 30 private physical AI companies are worth just over US$400 billion today, roughly where the top 30 generative AI companies were valued in mid-2024, before they approached US$3 trillion. He is betting on a repricing, “probably not in 18 months,” since robots have to physically enter factories and homes rather than ride existing device penetration.
A Chinese co-investor, and the geopolitics FinSight says isn’t there
The sharpest question was about optics. In March, an Oman-led funding round valued Uzum at US$2.3 billion, with existing shareholders, FinSight among them, joined by Tencent and VR Capital Group. That is a Chinese name on the cap table of a payments company, at a moment of heightened US scrutiny of exactly that kind of exposure. Gurianov pushed back on the framing before answering it. “None of the investors you named is a state entity,” he said, describing them as private firms, some publicly listed.
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His broader case is that a diversified cap table mirrors a diversified economy: Uzbekistan, which he called the fastest-growing economy in Central Asia, is simultaneously attracting American, Middle Eastern and Chinese capital, alongside European and American companies opening local offices. On regulation, he noted Uzum’s primary compliance obligation runs to the Central Bank of Uzbekistan, where it holds financial and banking licences.
Betting on a dollarised Venezuela
If Uzum is a geopolitical question, Cashea — FinSight’s bet in Venezuela — is a plumbing one: how does capital move in and out of a market under currency controls and a history of hyperinflation that most global investors consider uninvestable? Gurianov’s answer starts by disputing the premise. The economy, he said, is “substantially dollarised,” and inflation has slowed well past its 2017-2018 peak, with growth resuming since 2020.
Cashea, which FinSight describes as Venezuela’s largest fintech, raised US$100 million across two rounds this year, a Series A and a Series B that FinSight led. It is the clearest sign yet of how far the firm is willing to lean into a market most peers won’t touch — and it isn’t a one-off.
FinSight’s Latin American book also includes Rappi, the super-app operating across Colombia, Brazil and Mexico, and Punto Pago, a smaller bet on building a Kaspi-style ecosystem across the Pan-Caribbean, starting in Panama.
On an eventual exit, Gurianov pointed to Kazakhstan’s Kaspi as the template — a company few international investors could name before it listed, now comparable in size to India’s Bajaj Finance and ahead of it on net income. For Cashea specifically, the case is simpler: the company is already profitable, which he treats as the precondition for any exit route, whether a foreign listing, M&A, or dividends.
On Rappi, long dogged by a cash-burn narrative, Gurianov said he ignores most unit-economics chatter and tracks exactly three metrics — EBITDA per order, EBITDA per customer, and company-level EBITDA — all of which he said are now positive.
India first, Southeast Asia second, and still absent
Pressed to rank India, Southeast Asia and Latin America by risk-adjusted return potential, Gurianov didn’t hedge: India first, Southeast Asia second, Latin America third. India wins on liquidity — the NSE lets companies list at US$100-300 million rather than requiring a billion-dollar valuation — despite expensive assets, crowded local capital, and a rupee that gives back 4-5 per cent a year against the dollar.
Southeast Asia, he said, is “the most important region of the next 10 to 20 years,” with roughly 700 million people and outsized trade flows, but its constraint is the same one holding back FinSight’s own entry: thin IPO history beyond Grab and Sea, and exchanges less developed than India’s. Hong Kong, in his view, is the variable that could change that calculus.
His answer to why Southeast Asia is still missing from FinSight’s book, despite the firm’s stated strategic focus, was disarmingly direct: “It is a fair observation. We are working on the region now and expect to add portfolio companies there shortly.”
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That is more than a talking point. FinSight told e27 its team has just returned from Singapore and Indonesia, where it met founders on the ground, and that it hopes to announce a major Southeast Asian deal within months. Whether that lands before the next fundraising cycle, or before Hong Kong’s listing ambitions for the region firm up, is the trade FinSight’s own thesis says it should be watching.
For a firm that walks away from anything that doesn’t clear 35 per cent, the fact that it is still circling rather than committing tells you as much about Southeast Asia’s pricing as it does about FinSight’s patience.
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